tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post8729215495775822139..comments2023-12-17T08:36:26.333-08:00Comments on Zainab's Lounge - upfront blogging: Can jinn "possess" humans?Zainabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-22647966781229260982017-01-02T08:07:02.054-08:002017-01-02T08:07:02.054-08:00Walaikum as-Salaam. The only Sunnah we can confirm...Walaikum as-Salaam. The only Sunnah we can confirm is truly authentic is the Noble Quran. You don't need to read man-written literature to know what is in the Quran. The Noble Quran is right before us and we must access it directly which gives every bit of information on how to lead our lives. <br /><br />The method of salaat is in the Quran. Check the following link at our online board Muslim Villa for salaat in Quran.<br />http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php?topic=2302.0<br /><br />You'll get every information you're looking for on all topics a Muslim needs to know @ Muslim Villa. <br />http://muslimvilla.smfforfree.com/index.php<br /><br />One needs to be an avid reader to learn. So please visit Muslim Villa. You can put questions as a guest @ our guest book. But presently guest book is closed and we are taking miscellaneous guest queries here @ Zainab's Lounge at the following link. <br />http://zainabslounge.blogspot.ca/2016/09/muslim-villa-guests-introduction-prior.html Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-17319975445006388972017-01-02T05:04:47.090-08:002017-01-02T05:04:47.090-08:00Assalamoualaikum sister Zainab
I do not know how ...Assalamoualaikum sister Zainab<br /><br />I do not know how to contact you otherwise, so I apologize for asking you questions not related to the above, and for taking your time.<br /><br />I would like to know whether there is an authentic source of the sunnah of prophet Muhammad (SAW) that gives more details of what is in the Holy Quran. Like e.g, how he performed salaat, or what we should expect will be the future of muslims in this world where things are getting worse.<br /><br />I need your advice please.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-25730189770865762302016-07-27T14:59:15.166-07:002016-07-27T14:59:15.166-07:00I do agree with you... I just add one more thing t...I do agree with you... I just add one more thing that is... Sattan say on yaumal qyam... That u do yourself self everything i just give suggestions... So why u follow me.. Ur zahil... (surah baqara) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-79628247083029928552016-04-13T10:56:46.725-07:002016-04-13T10:56:46.725-07:00@blessedbethestrangers. Walaium As-salam.
That m...@blessedbethestrangers. Walaium As-salam.<br /><br />That makes a lot of sense. Very informative read. Thanks. Nissmahttp://www.muslimvilla.smfforfree.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-14509980990785673312016-04-13T03:40:18.318-07:002016-04-13T03:40:18.318-07:00salaam alaikum sister
on a search to support my r...salaam alaikum sister <br />on a search to support my research on the jinn possession myth i have found numerous research academic articles that support your views. in answer to the above question on surah 34 see article abstract below. <br /><br /><br />The prophets Muhammad, Noah, Hud and Moses are mentioned in the Qur’an as being<br />taunted mercilessly by those who refused to listen to their message (11:54, 51:52, 54:9,<br />68:2). Taunts include possessed (11:54), madman (23:25), crazy (52:29), soothsayer/oracle<br />(52:29), poet (37:36), sorcerer/wizard (51:52) and tutored [by others] (44:14). These insults<br />often appear together, and it is possible that they simply reflect colloquial expressions of<br />incredulity, such as the present day use of the expression, ‘‘You’re crazy!’’ often hurled at<br />someone making a dubious claim or outrageous remark. While words with the j-n-n root<br />are used in these insults, it is important to observe that the expressions are being used by<br />pagan Arabs against God’s prophets. What this might imply is that the Qur’an is trying to<br />demonstrate that the association between jinn-possession and madness is part of the pagan<br />world view and is inconsistent with the message of Islam.<br />The most explicit example of the connection between possession and mental illness in<br />the Qur’an comes from the disbelievers replying to Hud, saying ‘‘All we can say is that one<br />of our gods may have inflicted some harm on you’’ (11:54). Pickthall translates this as ‘‘our<br />gods hath possessed thee in an evil way,’’ even though the phrase does not contain any<br />words with the j-n-n root. The unfortunate consequence of this is that the concept of jinnpossession<br />is being read back into the text, perhaps on the basis on later theological<br />developments, rather than reflecting the implications of the text at the time it was produced.<br />None of the other translations reflect this interpretation.<br />In the Qur’an, madness is connected to sin and misguidance. ‘‘Truly the wicked are<br />misguided and quite insane’’ (54:47). This verse alludes back to a previous verse<br />recounting how the disbelievers taunted Muhammad as ‘‘insane’’ (54:24); although in<br />neither case do we find words based on the j-n-n root. The Qur’an uses a rhetorical device<br />to argue against the disbelievers’ claims by using their insult against them.<br /><br />more on this search for : <br />J Relig Health<br />123<br />common argumentative technique employed throughout the Qur’an to refute the disbelievers’<br />claims. The use of madness in these verses seems to be implying spiritual madness,<br />rather than a physical malady. Again, much like the Qur’an’s discussion of spiritual heart<br />disease, wickedness is connected to misguidance and spiritual insanity. The implication is<br />that by being misguided and losing their footing from the straight path, disbelievers have<br />also lost their minds. Spiritual sanity is found in following the path to God.<br />Our search of the text of the Qur’an for themes related to the terms jinn, Satan and<br />madness yielded no direct connection between spirit-possession and mental illness. When<br />people were spoken of as jinn-possessed or crazy in the text, this was done so in reference<br />to the ignorance of pagan insults or to spiritual insanity, as a result of sin. No person of<br />spiritual authority in the Qur’an ever expresses this belief. Our findings refute prior claims<br />of jinn-possession being discussed in the Qur’an (Dols 1987; Haque 2004), and they<br />discredit the suggestion of any linkage of supernatural possession and mental illness being<br />implied in the text. Similarly, we could find no mention of mental illness as a physical<br />malady.<br /><br />more from :ORIGINAL PAPER<br />‘‘Satan Has Afflicted Me!’’ Jinn-Possession and Mental<br />Illness in the Qur’an<br />F. Islam • R. A. Campbell<br /> Springer Science+Business Media, LLC 2012Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15463661885062077349noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-67117400993437295452015-09-19T23:59:59.504-07:002015-09-19T23:59:59.504-07:00Quote the Verse.Quote the Verse.Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-24250326107234254642015-09-19T23:11:04.962-07:002015-09-19T23:11:04.962-07:00There is jinn possession mentioned in Surah 34, th...There is jinn possession mentioned in Surah 34, they have accused Prophet saws to be possessed by a jinn.IslamExorcism.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05980183382991116202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-60915566885748774712014-12-26T21:18:21.500-08:002014-12-26T21:18:21.500-08:00Weqar, the author's view point is focused on t...Weqar, the author's view point is focused on the Quranic substance. Does the Quran give a single reason to believe that jinn can physically interact with humans like beating up humans or turning them into bionic man or bionic woman or can jinn interact with peoples' minds turning them stark raving mad from sanity? that link you gave is the repetition of the same primitive song, 'Prophet said this and Prophet said that' 99% of which are no more authentic than the fairy tales of hans christian anderson. Wake up genius. Khaled Tameemihttp://www.noreply.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-24880313958335721572014-12-16T22:14:23.153-08:002014-12-16T22:14:23.153-08:00Thanks Zainab ,, makes sense. will check this sit...Thanks Zainab ,, makes sense. will check this site.Samanehhttp://www.muslimvilla.smfforfree.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-81122613354523449952014-12-16T22:11:19.417-08:002014-12-16T22:11:19.417-08:00Waqar: Loads of reports spoken by laymen have bee...Waqar: Loads of reports spoken by laymen have been forged with the Prophet's name. So how can we trust them? The question is what evidence do you find in the Qur'an that jinn can possess humans? The Qur'an has conveyed that jinn are elemental spirits, that there can be good jinn and bad, and they can tempt humans but not possess humans. If Qur'an states no possibilities of jinn "possessing" humans, then how would the Prophet know it? This blog article is not a 'verdict.' It's the author's observation in line with Qur'anic information and references on this subject. So open up your mind my friend and understand matters in their proper perspective. kaleemhttp://www.nothing.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-40865361644723991152014-12-15T01:01:15.165-08:002014-12-15T01:01:15.165-08:00True ..True ..Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-1381575536986791212014-12-15T00:56:24.790-08:002014-12-15T00:56:24.790-08:00Walaikum As-Salaam Samaneh. Many thanks.
That ki...Walaikum As-Salaam Samaneh. Many thanks.<br /><br />That kind of hip movement (or movement of any part of the body) can be caused by a seizure. Sometimes a prescribed medication or mood- stabilizer may not agree with a particular patient and cause seizures. Furthermore, seizures aren't only caused by epileptic fits, as commonly assumed. There are plenty of other emotional as well as physical conditions that can bring about seizures with strange convulsions and spasms unthinkable in normal conditions. Check the following site for details on non-epileptic seizures.<br /><br />http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/Non-Epileptic-Attack-Disorder-%28NEAD%29.htmZainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-65565572295691854462014-12-14T02:00:33.435-08:002014-12-14T02:00:33.435-08:00Sallam and hello Zainab. I went through this thre...Sallam and hello Zainab. I went through this thread over a period of 2 or 3 days and was helpful. Your thoughts are very sensible, I mean, no one can deny that you are fully on the path of Qur'an. I also read the comment of "Anonymous January 19th 2012" talking about little some boy behaving in strange way. I again agree as you explained it is some mental disease. Most mental illness have periods of sanity which come naturally by the mercy of Allah. Quoting one sentence that person stated "his hips will move vigorously even if he is on the bed." How can this happen? it's seemingly unnatural, right?Samanehhttp://www.muslimvilla.smfforfree.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-33470683544065836152014-06-04T23:58:21.951-07:002014-06-04T23:58:21.951-07:00I don't recall any hadith narration on abu Lah...I don't recall any hadith narration on abu Lahab as the Prophet's uncle. But I have read it in various books of history, a few by orientalists as well. That doesn't mean it's confirmed information but could be a possibility. Only Allah knows best. If I alluded to it somewhere, it was in a similar context. However, it's nothing to fret oneself over to death. That's being just as hasty and rigid as a Hadithist, over to another extreme.<br /><br />Moreover, I don't see the mention of abu Lahab in this blog entry. You're probably picking up bits from a certain blog entry and commenting about it on another. Please keep my site tidy.<br /><br />Thanks and salaam.Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-53439114802973282892014-06-04T22:36:19.150-07:002014-06-04T22:36:19.150-07:00I apologise for posting this here as it's not ...I apologise for posting this here as it's not in line with the subject but really hope you can help ease my confusion on this matter. <br /><br />To be clear, I do NOT believe in hadiths. <br /><br />All I want to know is where do those who believe in Quran only get information about the Prophet's relatives (as you mentioned above)<br /><br />Do we also have to consider a biography of the Prophet (pbuh)? If yes, from which source? <br /><br />I want to focus on the Quran only but get confused when someone mentions the Prophet's uncle or family etc, where does this information come from? <br /><br />I am not referring to hadiths but rather to the biography of the Prophet (pbuh). <br /><br />Kindly provide an answer to ease my confusion. <br /><br />I truly want to focus on the Quran alone and your website has been of help so far. However, reading your comment above has created some confusion as to how you know that person was related to the Prophet (pbuh) for instance. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-86443884507387585732014-06-04T22:14:33.768-07:002014-06-04T22:14:33.768-07:00Hi again Zainab, I am not trying to refute things ...Hi again Zainab, I am not trying to refute things you said above. I am inclined to believe in the Quran alone myself. <br /><br />I don't believe in hadiths but while reading your reply about Abu Lahab, I wanted to know from which source you came to know that he was related to the Prophet (pbuh) and that he was an enemy. <br /><br />Does the Quran refer to this or should we be considering other sources too? If yes, which one(s)? <br /><br />I really want to stick to the Quran alone but was a bit confused by the above... please explain Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-32683323962851017692014-06-04T21:14:10.553-07:002014-06-04T21:14:10.553-07:00He and his wife were both Hell bound kuffar. That ...He and his wife were both Hell bound kuffar. That has been plainly confirmed by the Noble Quran. I don't need to know anything more about them and neither do you nor anyone else.<br /><br />If you don't agree being a Quran alone follower, then keep out of here. We don't entertain debates with Hadithists or anyone who doesn't take the Quran as the ONLY source of Faith, information and Code of Life. <br /><br />Furthermore, in future keep your comments strictly within the context of the blog topic you're commenting on. The topic here is about the idea of jinn possessing humans, not abu Labab. Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-8634651111337159682014-06-04T09:01:03.686-07:002014-06-04T09:01:03.686-07:00Hi Zainab, how do u know who Abu Lahab was from th...Hi Zainab, how do u know who Abu Lahab was from the Quran? Since you do not consider other sources? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-73123493676321728132012-11-20T00:35:44.991-08:002012-11-20T00:35:44.991-08:00Well done Zainab, a fantastic blog and logical arg...Well done Zainab, a fantastic blog and logical arguments to support the only logical conclusion. It's good to hear people who aren't blinded by "hearsay" and old wives tales.Nnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-82588236866337958772012-10-09T22:00:05.886-07:002012-10-09T22:00:05.886-07:00Anonymous .. tell the jinn in the storeroom of tha...Anonymous .. tell the jinn in the storeroom of that house to keep singing and drumming .... as long as the don't start using the food provisions of the family stored there, no problem. These are costly times. Inflation is high. I hope those storeroom jinn buy their own food. Saracenhttp://muslimvilla.smfforfree.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-82913903412062153832012-10-09T21:57:18.512-07:002012-10-09T21:57:18.512-07:00@Anonymous (Oct.9, 2012). So what? I didn'...@Anonymous (Oct.9, 2012). So what? I didn't say jinn don't exist. AstaghfarAllah! Allah has said they exist and thus I know they exist. I only debate if they can possess humans as so many unsupportive stories claim. The Noble Quran does not confirm that sort of jinn / human interaction. That's what my blog entry is about. <br /><br />What has Abu Lahab got to do with this? And what a query to ask. Don't you even know who that enemy of Allah was? He was a kaffir of Qureysh, and although he was related to the Prophet (sw), yet he was the Prophet's most bitter enemy who has been denounced by name in the Noble Quran along with his mushriq wife. <br /><br />What do you mean "here you go" ?? This is a truth seeking blog. No frivolous arguments for the sake of opposing. Only productive discussions for the purpose of learning. Thank you and salam.Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-5057342415883828162012-10-09T04:08:01.911-07:002012-10-09T04:08:01.911-07:00Zainab
Yesterday i happened to visit a house where...Zainab<br />Yesterday i happened to visit a house where Jinns reside in storeroom of a house and all the 8 dwellers including grown up kids have heard the sound of Music/Drumming coming out of their storeroom during night hours. Now that's quite weird. LOLz<br />Secondly, can you explain Sura 111 as to who was Abu Lahab, What did he do? Why was he cursed? Here you go............ I'm waiting.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-89447589536523211022012-05-29T09:38:30.636-07:002012-05-29T09:38:30.636-07:00@ Ali. Can't you read the headlines of my blo...@ Ali. Can't you read the headlines of my blog? Obviously you neither recognize the words of the Noble Quran nor the Shahadah. Therefore, I sure am very, very MUSLIM, Alhumdulilah. The question is, what are you?Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-70377045443267288042012-05-10T16:53:06.206-07:002012-05-10T16:53:06.206-07:00are you muslem and belive in quran?
if not, you c...are you muslem and belive in quran? <br />if not, you can meet Processor spiritual at any western countries, and you can ask them about the evil souls (jinn)Alinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2299136808942706928.post-16172869764924153352012-01-23T23:44:25.149-08:002012-01-23T23:44:25.149-08:00@ Anonymous. Salaam. The way I perceive it, this...@ Anonymous. Salaam. The way I perceive it, this was definitely a mental health issue. As the Quran has informed us, we know that Jinn are present in this world and they can be around us anytime and we may not even know about it. Sometimes we do know when Jinn interact with us or with our surroundings. I've heard of strange incidents taking place in homes with paranormal activities (obviously the presence of Jinn) e.g. lights turning on & off on their own, hearing voices from a room where no one is present, household items missing from their places etc. Rarely I've also heard that Jinn can scatter your household items around which is perhaps a sign of their anger. However, I've never heard of a Jinn physically attacking anyone even in the cases of those people who have reported the utmost of paranormal activities in their homes. Secondly, recitation of original Quranic verses (not translation) has always proven to be successful in driving evil Jinn away whose presence might be making us uneasy.<br /><br />Coming to the issue of mental disorders, there are mental illnesses that can cause severe illusions and hallucinations. For example with a person who is mentally ill, a sensory perception can be incorrectly perceived and misinterpreted such as hearing the sound of the wind and thinking that you heard someone crying. This is an illusion. Hallucinations are also sensory experiences in which a person can see, hear, smell, taste, or even feel something that does not exist at all. Schizophrenics are the most common sufferers of illusions and hallucinations but there can be other mental disorders causing this problem as well. Apparently this young boy you are talking about was a sufferer of some mental disease that was making him hear illusionary sounds and see illusionary images. Such illnesses are sometimes be hard to cure. Psychiatrists and psychologists sometimes have to work very hard on such patients. But at times they get cured very much on their own by simply establishing a friendly rapport with a family member or friend which helps the intensity of the emotional disturbance to lessen or fade away completely.<br /><br />You mentioned that some hindu priest cured the boy with his rituals. This obviously is an evidence that the boy was mentally unwell and as a child he might have started trusting this man for no big reason, felt relaxed in his company and felt free to communicate with him. That could have contributed to his mental health condition. Or, it might have been that the boy was recovering on his own and passing from a negative to a positive emotional phase (which is also a common occurence) and by chance the hindu priest came along at a time when he was in any case set to recover from within him. Thus, the hindu wrongly took the credit. The third possibility could simply be that the role of the hindu priest is an exaggeration. The boy got cured on his own but his family wanted to pick a reason for it, so they blindly attributed it to that hindu. <br /><br />What I am 100% sure of is that Jinn cannot be driven away by rituals of the kufar. That's definite. If the presence of a Jin or Jinn is a genuine issue, the only thing that can help to drive it away is the recitation of the original verses of the Noble Quran.Zainabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606734661595988955noreply@blogger.com