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Saturday, April 6, 2013

The forbidden Rumi - Jalaluddin Rumi EXPOSED


By Brother Ozcan - contributor Muslim Villa


Lately I've been very frustrated because the imam I trusted is talking with so much respect about all previous 'ulema' such as Gazali and even Jalaluddin al Rumi, who for example claims that his rubbish called "Mesnevi" is better than the Qur'an !!! Did you even know that? My favourite scholar says we should reject those parts of Rumi's writings, which by the way also contain disgusting pornographic passages, but claims that "Rumi is still one of our greatest assets". How on earth can you call a mushrik one of the Ummah's greatest assets? Anyway, for this reason I have decided to devote most of my time to the Qur'an and I refuse to believe anything anyone says from now on. I'm really fed up with everyone, I no longer have "favourite" Islamic scholars. They only lead you astray!

In Turkey people get really mad when you dare criticize these people because they are almost regarded as prophets by a large section of the population. I can easily say that there are millions of mushriks in my country who think they are Muslims.
Hadith is full of porn, and if you want more disgusting porn, you should read Rumi's Masnavi.  The sinful Rumi has gone to the extent of claiming that Allah appeared as a beautiful woman.

Jalal ud Din Rumi was born in Balkh in 604H. His father left the city, and Rumi met in travel Farid ud Din ‘Attar, who gave his book “Israr-nama” (book of mysteries) to Rumi while he was a child. Then after residing in different land, he and his family settled in Qonya, where Rumi became a teacher in the Madrasah established by his father. In 642 H, Shamsi Tabriz came to Qonya, and Rumi became his student, and he was so attached to him that he left teaching and would isolate with Shamsi Tabriz. And Rumi’s student seeing the bad influence of Shams Tabriz on Rumi threatened Shams Tabriz who fled to Tabriz, and Rumi went there and brought his Peer back. Then he was further threatened and he went to Damascus, and Rumi became sad of this separation and he wrote then his poems called “Divan e Shams e Tabrizi”. Then there are different stories, but some people say Shamsi Tabriz came later and was assassinated by some students of Rumi.  Rumi wrote later his Sufi tales called “Mathnawi” and he died in 672H. The Sufi Tosun Bayrak even claim in the introduction of his translation of Ibn ‘Arabi’s book “Divine governance of the human kingdom” that Ibn ‘Arabi in his way to Damascus met Rumi before Rumi went to Qoniya, and later ibn ‘Arabi’s student Sadr Qunawi met Rumi many times in Qonya.

One can see in the poems of this “Divan” clear call to Wahdatul Wujud (unity of existence) and Wahdatul Adyan (unity of religions).   Wahdatul Wujud (unity of existence) has NOTHING to do with Monotheism or Tawheed which is the essence of Islam.  Wahdatul Wujud is a soofi doctrine preaching that the existence of all things is one and that existence itself is Allah, prompting humans to claim that each one of them is Allah.  Yahya Harun is also one of those suspected of following this despicable doctrine.  Exalted is Allah Most High above their Satanic heresy.  Also, Wahdatul Adyan (unity of religions) does NOT refer to Islam or submission to the ONE GOD as the only true Faith as confirmed in the Quran (refer Surah Al-Imran, Chapter 3 - Verses 85 to 87).  Wahdatul Adyan is a doctrine that claims all religions are fine and it's okay to follow any religion - a total kuffar ideology. 

Nicholson translated some poems of this divan and called his book: “Selected poems from “Divan e Shams e Tabrizi”” and d this has been published by Ibex publishers.

Quoting Rumi's poem: P 29-31, poem 8.
"The man of God is not learned from book.
The man of God is beyond infidelity and religion,
The man of God right and wrong are alike.
The man of God has ridden away from Not-being,
The man of God is gloriously attended.
The man of God is concealed, Shamsi Din;"

Comment: The last sentence shows that Rumi believes his Peer Shamsi Tabriz is in fact Allah, and the man of Allah seek and find him. And what a lie upon Allah's religion, the Muslims are not beyond infidility and religion, rather they follow the religion revealed by Allah, and these Batinis Sufis want to destroy the religion of Truth and replace it with their own religion inspired by Shaytan.

Quoting Rumi's poem: P 47-49, poem 12.

"A ladder was placed before you that you might escape.
First you were mineral, later you turned to plant,
Then you became animal: how should this be a secret to you?
Afterwards you were made man, with knowledge, reason, faith;
Behold the body, which is a portion of the dust-pit, how perfect it has grown!
When you have travelled on from man, you will doubtless become an angel;
After that you are done with this earth: your station is in heaven.
Pass again even from angelhood: enter that ocean,
That your drop may become a sea which is a hundred Seas of ‘Oman.
Leave this ‘Son”, say ever ‘One’ with all your soul;
If your body has aged, what matter, when the soul is young? "

Comment:  One can clearly see that Rumi believes in unity of existence.  His teachings have nothing to do with Islam and its most important principal of Tawheed.
Quoting Rumi's poem: P 59-61, poem 15.

"This house wherein is continually the sound of the viol,
Ask of the master what house is this.
What means this idol-form, if this is the house of the Ka’ba?
And what means this light of God, if it is a Magian temple?
In this house is a treasure which the universe is too small to hold;
This house and this master is all acting and pretence.
Lay no hand on the house, for this house is a talisman;
Speak not with the master, for he is drunken overnight.
The dust and rubbish of this house is all musk and perfume;
The roof and door of this house is all verse and melody.
In fine, whoever has found the way into this house
is sultan of the world and Salomon of the time.
O master, bend down thy head once from this roof,
For in thy fair face is a token of fortune.
I swear by the soul that save the sight of thy countenance,
All, tho’ ‘twere the kingdom of the earth, is fantasy and fable.
The garden is bewildered to know which is the leaf, and which the blossom;
The birds are distracted to know which is the snare and which the bait.
This is the Lord of heaven, who resembles Venus and the moon,
This is the house of Love, which has no bound or end.
Like a mirror, the soul has received thy image in its heart;
The tip of thy curl has sunk into the heart like a comb.
Forasmuch as the women cut their hands in Joseph’s presence,
Come to me, O soul, for the Beloved is in the midst.
All the house are drunken- none has knowledge
Of each who enters that he is so-and-so or so-and-so
Do not sit intoxicated at the door: come into the house quickly;
He is in the dark whose place is the threshold.
Those drunk with God, tho’ they be thousands, are yet one;
Those drunk with lust-tho’ it be a single one, he is a double.
Go into the wood of lions and reck not of the wound,
For thought and fear- all these are figments of women."

Comment: Rumi does shamelessly compare the Ka’ba with Magian temple, he claims Allah resembles Venus, also after explaining Wahdtul Wujud, he finally declares that being wounded by a lion is a mercy and only result of imagination.


Quoting Rumi's poem: P 71-73: poem 17:



"For a sign, the tip of the Beloved’s curl became a centre of revelation;
As yet the tip of that fair curl was not.
Cross and Christians, from end to end,
I surveyed; He was not on the Cross.
I went to the idol-temple, to the ancient pagoda;
No trace was visible there.
I went to the mountain of Heart and Candahar;
I looked; he was not in that hill-and-dale.
With set purpose I fared to the summit of Mount Qaf;
In that place was only the ‘Anqa’s habitation.
I bent the reins of search to the Ka’ba;
He was not in that resort of old and young.
I questioned Ibn Sina on his state;
He was not in Ibn Sina’s range.
I fared towards the scene of “the bow-lenghts’s distance”;
He was not in that exalted court.
I gazed into my heart;
There I saw Him, He was nowhere else.
Save pure-souled Shamsi Tabriz"


Comment: the ‘Anqa for Sufis is an imaginary bird, representing the soul of man, and it is the Simurgh in Persian mythology, and the book “The speech of Birds” of Farid ud Din ‘Attar is based on these birds that want to see their King Simurgh. Also Sufis attribute many stories of saints being in this hidden mount Qaf.  How shocking, Rumi does not find Allah where the Prophet (saw) performed Miraj and Allah talked to Him, and this is referred by “the bow-lenghts’s distance” (Qaba Qawasayn) in Suran An-Najm, yet Rumi claims to find Allah in his heart and then shamelessly equates Him with Shamsi Tabriz . Also how Rumi equates the Ka’ba with temples and Cross, La Hawla wala Quwwata ila Billah.


Quoting Rumi's poem: P 105-107, poem 26.

"But Number necessarily exists in the world of Five and Four.
You may count a hundred thousand sweet apples in your hand:
If you wish to make One, crush them all together.
Behold, without regarding the letters, what is the language in the heart;
Pureness of colour is a quality derived from the Source of Action.
Shamsi Tabriz is seated in royal state, and before him
My rhymes are ranked like willing servants."

Comment: The example of hundred apples being crushed clearly shows that for these people existence is one, and differentiating between different existences is wrong.  Also Rumi being a student and close friend of Shamsi Tabriz shows that he considers his peer as a manifestation of Allah.

Quoting Rumi's poem:  P 121-123, poem 30:

"When thou are hidden, I am of the infidels;
When thou art manifest, I am of the faithful.
I have nothing, except thou hast bestowed it;
What dost thou seek from my bosom and sleeve?"

A very rude and disrespectful poem.  Shocking!
Quoting Rumi's poem:  P125-127, poem 31.

"What is to be done, O Moslems? for I do not recognize myself.
I am neither Christian, nor Jew, nor Gabr, nor Moslem.
I am not of the East, nor of the West, nor of the land, nor of the sea;
I am not of Nature's mint, nor of the circling' heavens.
I am not of earth, nor of water, nor of air, nor of fire;
I am not of the empyrean, nor of the dust, nor of existence, nor of entity.
I am not of India, nor of China, nor of Bulgaria, nor of Saqsin
I am not of the kingdom of 'Iraqain, nor of the country of Khorasan
I am not of the this world, nor of the next, nor of Paradise, nor of Hell
I am not of Adam, nor of Eve, nor of Eden and Rizwan.
My place is the Placeless, my trace is the Traceless ;
'Tis neither body nor soul, for I belong to the soul of the Beloved.
I have put duality away, I have seen that the two worlds are one;
One I seek, One I know, One I see, One I call.
He is the first, He is the last, He is the outward, He is the inward;
I know none other except 'Ya Hu' and 'Ya man Hu.'
I am intoxicated with Love's cup, the two worlds have passed out of my ken;
I have no business save carouse and revelry.
If once in my life I spent a moment without thee,
From that time and from that hour I repent of my life.
If once in this world I win a moment with thee,
I will trample on both worlds, I will dance in triumph for ever.
O Shamsi Tabriz, I am so drunken in this world,
That except of drunkenness and revelry I have no tale to tell  "

Comment: What is it except clear Kufr and departure from the religion of Islam. Someone writes he is not a Muslim, and people describe him as a Muslim mystic, and Allah's religion has nothing to do with Rumi's writings. Anyone reading the Glorious Quran will see that the religion of Islam as preached by the ¨Prophet (saw) has nothing to do with this fabricated religion by misguided Sufis.   In the second half of this poem, initially the reader may think Rumi is glorifying Allah, but in the end it's discovered that Rumi is actually thinking of Shamsi Tabriz.
Quoting Rumi's poem:  P 147-149, poem  147, in this long poem, below are some sentences:

"O thou whose command Hell and Paradise obey,
Thou art making Paradise like Hell-fire to me: do not so.
In thy plot of sugar-canes I am secure from poison;
Thou minglest the poison with the sugar: do not so,
My soul is like a fiery furnace, yet it sufficed thee not
By absence thou art making my face pale as gold: do not so."

Comment: For these misguided Batinis Sufis, Paradise and Hell is a plot or a frame of mind and in reality none of these exist.

More on Rumi's abnormal obsession and fantasy with Shamsi Tabriz:
Quoting Rumi's poem:  P 163-165: Poem 41.

"I saw my Beloved wandering about the house:
Ha had taken up a rebeck and was playing a tune.
With a touch like fire he was playing a sweet melody,
Drunken and distraught and bewitching from the night’s carouse.
He was invoking the cup-bearer in the mode of ‘Iraq:
Wine was his object, the cup-bearer was only an excuse.
The beauteous cup-bearer, pitcher in hand,
Stepped forth from a recess and placed it in the middle.
He filled the first cup with that sparkling wine-
Didst thou ever see water set on fire?
For the sake of those in love he passed it from hand to hand,
Then bowed and kissed the lintel.
My beloved received it from him, and quaffed the wine:
Instantly o’er his face and heard ran flashes of flame.
Meanwhile he was regarding his own beauty and saying to the evil eye,
‘There has not been nor will be in this age another like me. I am the Divine Sun of the world, I am the Beloved of lovers,
Soul and spirit are continually moving before me."

Comment: The words “Divine Sun” (Shamsul Haqq) refer to Rumi’s teacher Shams Tabriz, and also in poem 64 p 175-177, the last sentences are:

"From the Sun (Shams) who is the glory of Tabriz seek future bliss,
For he is a sun, possessing all kinds of knowledge, on the spiritual throne."Also in the introduction, Nicholson told that sometimes Rumi is ambiguous in referring to his teacher, Shams Tabriz, as being Allah, and he quoted the end of one of the poem of Divan (T. 180. 2) finishing with sentence:

"That monarch supreme had shut the door fast;
To-day he has come to the door, clothed in the garment of mortality "

Note: Divan T is the Tabriz Edition published version in 1280 AH, and his editor is Riza Kuli Khan, with the nom de plume Hidayat, and he is an authority of Persian history and literature.

SO IT SHOWS THAT IN ALL THESE POEMS, RUMI IS HINTING AT HIS BELOVED SHAMS TABRIZ BEING ALLAH.
In his appendix 1, Nicholson quoted a poem of Rumi from his “Divan” T.257.11a:

"I have circled awhile with the nine fathers in each heaven,
For years I have revolved with the stars in their signs.
I was invisible awhile, I was united with Him,
I was in the kingdom of “or nearer”, I saw what I have seen.
I have my nourishment from God, like a child in the womb;
Man is born once, I have been born many times.
Clothed in the mantle of corporal limbs, I have busied myself often with affairs,
And often I have rent this mantle with my own hands.
I have passed nights with ascetics in the monastery,
I have slept with infidels before the idols in the pagoda.
I am the theft of rogues, I am the pain of the sick,
I am both cloud and rain, I have remained in the meadows.
Never did the dust of annihilation settle on my skirt, O dervish!
I have gathered a wealth of roses in the meadow and garden of eternity.
I am not of water nor fire, I am not of the forward wind;
I am not moulded clay: I have mocked them all.
O son, I am not Shamsi Tabriz, I am the pure Light;
If thou seest me, beware! Tell it not to any, that thou hast seen."

Comment:  So this shows that behind Shams Tabriz, there was divine light according to Rumi, and Shams Tabriz told him not to tell this to anyone, that he was not Shams Tabriz but Allah in human clothes.  Allahul Musta'an.  What kufr is greater than this? These people clearly write their true creed and they hide it in most places and propagate it under the name of Islam in order to convert people to their fabricated religion. But their creed has nothing to do with the pure religion of Allah. May Allah protect us from this great danger.

"THE FORBIDDEN RUMI" OF LAST PART OF THE "DIVAN SHAMS TABRIZI"

"The Forbidden Rumi" written by Will Johnson and Nevit Ergin is a translation of the 23th and last part of the “Divan” of Jalal ud Din Rumi. One can read in the book many poems of heresy and unity of religions: 
P 157 in the poem "Everyone is welcome to This school", Rumi writes about unity if religions:

"Muslim, Christian, Jew, Zoroastrian:
All are welcome here"

P 159 in the poem "A stranger to myself" Rumi explains this further by brazenly supporting disbelief and disloyalty.

"Islam and other faiths
have all come around so recently
yet Love has no beginning or end.
You can't call the unbeliever an infidel
if he's been the latest victim of love"

In the poem "I am the One" Rumi shows his belief in Wahdatul Wujud

"I became the One
whose name everybody takes an oath to.

I became Jesus to the moon.
I rose up and passed through the sky
I am the drunk Moses.
God himself lives inside this patched cloak.

I am crazy, insane, drunk out of mind
I don't listen to advice and deserve to be locked up"
hen he says at the end of this poem:

"When Muhammad sees me drunk, my face pale,
he kisses my eyes, then I prostrate before him.

I am today's Muhammad,
but not the Muhammad of the past
I am the phoenix of the time"

THIS IS NOTHING SHORT OF HORRENDOUS KUFARI BY RUMI.

P 154 in the last two sentences of the poem "You can't get away"  Rumi calls people to become heretics (kuffar).  He refers that Islam is not a religion of truth and unless one is a kuffar, one cannot come close to Islam, saying :

"If you don't act like a heretic
you can't reach the truth in Islam"

Comment: This is a pure lie on the pure religion of Islam.  Never did any Prophet, nor his family or any of his close companions acted like heretics, rather this is the satanic saying of these misguided Sufis and their religion of heresy.

PRAISE BE TO ALLAH, THE ALMIGHTY - THE ONE AND ONLY.

May Allah send salah and salam on the Prophet (saw), his household, true companions and those who follow them.  

May Allah protect everyone from the terrible misguidance of men like Jalaluddin Rumi.   All these crazy kafir/mushrik beliefs came from Iranian Zoroastrianism, Greek paganism, Turkish Shamanism, Hinduism, Buddhism etc. 
  


         

37 comments:

  1. The book on these secret kuffari poems by Rumi are also sold at Amazon titled "The Forbidden Rumi: The Suppressed Poems of Rumi on Love, Heresy, and Intoxication" by Nevit Ergin and Will Johnson.
    http://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Rumi-Suppressed-Heresy-Intoxication/dp/1594771154

    The review of the book reads "This book is a translation of verses from the 13th century mystic and poet which were considered blasphemy and prohibited from being translated by the Turkish government. In these verses, Rumi, clearly says that in order to truly have a God experience one must go beyond your religion. One must not get stuck within the restrictive confines that define any specific religion."
    http://www.amazon.com/review/R24J02SWKTXLW1/ref=cm_cr_pr_viewpnt#R24J02SWKTXLW1

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    1. Assalam o alaikum , rumi was muslims not only muslim he was friend of Allah those who go beyond religuos boundaries they actually realize what religion says and who was Prophet Muhammad SAAW . he said i am a dust on the path of Muhammad SAAW the master of two worlds if any one have any question about rumi about religion what is the wisdom behind his words and what is the wisdom beyond going to religion and realizing truth he or she may contact me http://www.facebook.com/talha.aslam.58 i will answer all the questions :) and will explain his wisdom we cant understand prophet Muhammad SAAW until and unless we understand truly what lover of God says

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  2. Two aspects are obvious from Rumi's own hand-written poems. First, he was not devoted to Faith. Second, he apparently had mental health problems. Not only are his thoughts blasphemous but also very erratic .. a common indication of mental & emotional instability.

    Rumi's two obsessions are men and drunkenness (wine). I think it's easy to discern he didn't have a straight sexual orientation. His relationship with Shamsi Tabriz wasn't that of a student admiring the qualities of a teacher . Rumi and Tabriz clearly had a forbidden relationship involving lust and lower desires condemned in the Quran with reference to the people of Lot. I don't know how anyone can overlook that unless they purposely deny it out of embarrassment. Rumi apparently wanted others to know of it and for that reason in all his forbidden poems he is not at all discreet about his feelings towards Shamsi Tabriz. Thus, all his poems mentioning or insinuating Shamsi Tabriz carry distinctly vulgar and awkward connotations along with profound blasphemy. He was aware of how much he had deviated from the Quran and his weakness to follow the Quran as a guide. He knew he was not of that moral status. He tried to caution his readers that he was ordinary & sinful and at the same time win them over by the use of exotic and bizarre words in his poems. Rumi's obsession blinded him into losing his sense of righteousness and his sense of judgement, raising Tabriz to the level of Divinity .. making him equal to Allah, and in many of his works he actually replaces Allah with Tabriz. A very sick man indeed.

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    1. Thanks for adding this sis Zainab.

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  3. Very useful exposure. I'm not crazy about poetry nor do I make heroes out of poets. But I've watched and read many people doing that. I have endlessly heard praise of this man Rumi. This hidden side of his which has now been unveiled should open the eyes of all Rumi thumpers. Only those who are secularists by nature or those who believe in the un-Islamic concept of "multi-faith" assimilation will agree with Rumi's forbidden poems. This man was a calculating rogue, just like Bukhari & co. I hope he is rotting in Hell now for his sly disloyalty toward Allah.

    In the following link, you will find another review of Rumi's forbidden poems. This review is written by a secularist who believes in the mixing of people of all religions - a hardline kufari attitude. Therefore this kafir review writer likes the forbidden poems and he (or she) admits that Rumi upheld heresy. Copy and paste the following link on your browser to read:

    http://www.gowonderworks.com/node/188

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  4. I'm stunned. My knowledge of Rumi is still quite basic but until reading your blog I'd thought he was a celebrated Sufi mystic (without controversy); I'd never seen anything objectionable in the few poems of his that I'd read.

    But, being gay and drinking alcohol don't necessarily make one a non-Muslim. His bizarre writing may have been down to his apparent mental problems. And one shouldn't be surprised to hear outlandish language from eccentric intellectuals. Zainab, would you say - without any doubt - that Rumi was a non-Muslim? If so, how has this astonishing fact been overlooked by so many millions of genuine Muslims who revere him? By the way, if you'd like to make a point on a Facebook page, "Hazrat Mevlana Jalaluddin Rumi" is here: https://www.facebook.com/HazratMevlanaJalaluddinRumi

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    1. Salaam Noorul. Thanks for your comment. In addition to being a gay and a lover of alcohol, Rumi was also into ideas of polytheism, that is, shirk. One only needs to read some of those poems in his banned collection called Divan-e-Shams Tabriz. His violations are huge. He surely cannot be called a Muslim. The Quranic term "Muslim" specifically denotes a person who has submitted his purpose of life to Allah in accordance with His Laws as prescribed in His Final Message. Minor violations with repentance can be forgiven by Him. But Rumi went too far. Shirk is an unforgivable offense in the Quran. Among social vices, homosexuality is despicable and drunkenness detestable in the Sight of Allah. The community of Lot were destroyed by the wrath of Allah on account of their moral depravity involving homosexual lust. Drunkenness is a condition that makes one lose control of one's senses and thus Allah has forbidden people to offer their prayers if in such a state.

      Rumi, through his forbidden works, has made it ample clear that he had no qualms indulging in whatever Allah Almighty has prohibited. He hasn't at all been discreet to express that his actions do not conform with the ideology of the Quran. Consequently he has confessed with his own pen that he is "not a Muslim." What more does one need to argue about other than the fact that this so-called mystic and saint was actually a hardline heathen?

      Concerning your query why this fact has been overlooked for so long .. kindly read this blog entry carefully from start to finish. It contains answers to every question that might arise in one's mind. The truth about Rumi has been overlooked and is still overlooked because Rumi's final collection, Divan-e-Shams Tabriz (English translation "Forbidden Rumi"), has been banned from publication in Turkey and subsequently in all other Muslim countries where his poems are widely read. Take a look at the brief review at the following link:
      http://www.gowonderworks.com/node/188

      I already put up this essay on my Facebook notes. I have also disclosed it to some of those blind Rumi fans who have no idea of the banned publication. They don't even know of anything such as Divan-e-Shams Tabriz or who Shams Tabriz was or the dirty relationship the two of them had. That's because this entire collection containing Rumi's embarrassing obsession with Tabriz is prohibited for public reading in almost all Muslim states. However, I was disappointed to note that even after exposing the truth to Rumi readers, their traditional admiration for him still doesn't allow them to accept the truth, even if they perceive it. That's how evil misguides the naive. If you wish, feel free to post on that Facebook link you mentioned. They will be furious and in constant denial !! As Allah Almighty states in the Glorious Quran (paraphrasing) - deaf, dumb and blind .. they are as the cattle, nay worse.

      All praise be to Allah, The Highest. Peace and blessings on the final messenger.

      I seek refuge in Allah from the misguidance of evil minds.

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    2. Oh My God ! Please read what is he trying to say the deep meaning of every word he says is different . Please ! Have a research first :) Jazak Allah .

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  5. Salaam Alaykum sista Zainab. This is the brotha Aram Kennard.

    This was a good post, and nice read. Never studied sufism, but have heard of Rumi quite a lot among Muslims. This gives new insight indeed... You post many things that make me thing of the world all over again.

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  6. I ran across this on a site discussing Rumi and his homoerotic writing:

    "second I think it is wild that we could read the hundreds of lines written by rumi addressing shams in utterly romantic and passionate terms and still be compelled by our homophobia to rationalize this love as some kind of spiritual metaphor or chaste expression of divine revelation. sure it is about spiritual awakening, but there is no mistaking the depths of a deeply personal, sexual love. "

    Hit the nail of the head. Most people overlook the homoerotic controversy and pass it off as spirituality.

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  7. Walaikum Salaam, Brother Aram. To put it plainly, Rumi has the same effect on the minds of the mainstream Muslims as Bukhari & his cronies .. the former spreading corruption through erotic poetry given the benefit of the doubt by considering it 'spiritually exotic' as you rightly perceived, and the latter by falsely using the name of the Prophet (pbuh).

    The credit for this exposure of Rumi's forbidden works goes to another of our MV contributors, brother Ozcan.

    When I put up this info at facebook, as usual, except for a couple of discerning ones like yourself, the rest felt very offended and gave a deaf ear to all logical arguments. The fact that Rumi has written a lengthy collection or "divan" comprising of blatant heresy and homosexuality to the extent that it had to be banned in Turkey was completely overlooked by the majority with a strong feeling of denial. But truth was put on the table clear to view and that's what matters to me. Thereafter, rejection of the truth is the responsibilityof the rejecters who will have to answer to Allah.

    Very nice to see you here brother. We miss you at MV.

    Btw, in which website did you find the discussion of the homoerotic side of Rumi? I'll like to take a look and also mention it to brother Ozcan.

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  8. Aww, I miss MV too. Well, I have checked in from time to time, but I've just been busier. I could be reading more, and I plan to (:

    Oh, and here is the website:
    http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/08/was-the-poet-rumi-and-shams-gay-lovers-or-was-it-simply-bhakti-love/

    Quote was taken from the comments section.

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  9. Rumi is all time great. Those who are pervert see perversion in Rumi. What is wrong in being gay? It is purely a personal matter or sexual orientation. Merely there was a homosexual relationship between Rumi and Shams does not degrade both of them to be close to God. Who on earth being a great saint fits into your narrow and shallow frame of thinking? Religion or God has nothing to do with sex or same sex. Please stop criticising on this ground. Appreciate his poetry in a larger context. Enjoy them in their magninimity and totality and come out of narrow thinking of religion.

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    1. Whether or not same gender relation hampers with a person's status as being close to Allah Almighty is entirely up to Him to judge and decide. NOT you nor me.

      In this article, we are NOT judging anyone. We are merely expressing our opinion, based on Quranic values. [This is a Quran-alone blog - do I even have to say that?] As for yourself, you expressed your opinion disregarding Quranic values. From my standpoint, your hasty reproach is carelessly judgmental, making your passion to push yourself as some sort of freaky libertine funnily obvious.

      While you fuss over "shallow frame of thinking" of others, your own problem of preaching what you do not to practice is far more worrisome. Apparently you’re too feeble to perceive that and fortunately for you, ignorance is bliss! You don't agree with someone else's perception so you declare "please stop criticizing." How broad-thinking an attitude is that? You may find (or pretend to find) nothing negative being a homosexual. But others have vastly differing convictions. You think "religion or God has nothing to do with sex or same sex." Others uphold that The Noble Quran is not just a Religion, rather it's a complete code of life instituted by the Divine Power Himself in which a straight sexual orientation for humans plays a vital role in making them stay within His Laws and His Light of Guidance.

      As a mindless advocate, if your infatuation with Rumi and Shamsi lusting in bed goes to such depths to spew the kind of hogwash you've penned here, then our Quran-alone blog cannot be your piece of cake. All you need to do is to get out. If you want to comment, you need to sound rational and civilized. No one here is interested in your two-penny worth of riotous cause championing homophiles nor lotharios .... least of all, mixing up human lewdity with the Perfection of The Almighty, The One and Only.

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    2. whoa ,,, holy shit ....... genius!! this doctor sounds different from everyone!!!!!! Now that should make your day.

      Are u a "Dr." or a dickhead?

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    3. Zainab, thanks. As always you express the essentials so articulately.

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  10. This intellectual phony named Intaj Malek who blindly judges and accuses good people of "perversion" is himself even a bigger pervert than Rumi, who felt it necessary for Shamsi to crack his butt before feeling ready to write those repugnant paragraphs filled with passive vulgarity for perverts like Intaj boy to enjoy. What else can one expect from a person living in a country of heathens called India where eating beef can give you a death sentence but drinking cow piss is supposed to be the 'nectar of life.' Of course Intaj boy will argue on that otherwise Mr. fanatic Modi will teach him what "narrow thinking" actually means.

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  11. This sick beast Intaj Malek thinks his boisterous filth makes him appear "modern & intelligent." This is a Quran-alone blog, NOT your damn Gujarat. Therefore your bawdy and licentious bullshit are NOT wanted here.

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    1. Yes Ruhi .... all his future comments will be deleted.

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    2. That's the right thing to do Sister Zainab. Thank you.

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  12. Salam Sis Zainab
    As you mentioned: "In this article, we are NOT judging anyone. "

    How many times have mentioned the word kufr upon Rumi in your article?

    And yet you said not judging anyone?

    Imam Shafii has mentioned in one of his doa: Oh my Lord for I have sins that's beyond any human imaginations however I know your mercy is beyond infinity.
    Allah knows best.

    To insult ones imperfections clearly opens you own wrongful doings privately.

    Forgive me if I'm too blunt on my remarks. But your discernment allows others to do the same unto you.

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    1. ""Don't judge"" is the 21st century axiom to distract, stifle and glamorize injustice in the garb of "tolerance" by the intolerant who judge the most. If one's mere opinion happens to be the odd one out within the crowd, it promptly & fervently gets the seal ""you're judging."" And as you are being judged for "judging," the accusation by your judgmentalists (in this case dr. malek aka 'unknown') conveniently conceals their own blasted judgementalism!

      Now kindly get out of our blog and leave Sister Zainab alone. All future comments championing the cause of Rumi will be deleted because they're all repetitions of the same old hocus-pocus frownings which have already been responded to in our earlier comments in this thread.

      According to our assessment and opinion (aka ""j-u-d-g-e-m-e-n-t"") Rumi is NOT a decent person and plenty of his poems are flatly vulgar that cannot be read before women and children. If you disagree, that's your concern. If you indulge in slams & knocks at our blog as you've been doing, then you are the real jugementalist ... and of course you have already proven that via your previous two comments.

      Don't forget,this is our blog and thus our boundary. You are the unwanted intruder - judging to judge us. Walaykum As-Salam.

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  13. Thank you for rudeness clearly you're not intellectual enuf to accept criticism.

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    1. Slight correction there. We are not depraved "enuf" to accept praises of a male tramp highlighting his carnal desires via his shameless pimps. If lack of intellectualism means rejection of Rumi's x-rated works, then there's nothing as repugnant as intellectualism. But you go to the depth of shamelessness by perverting the concept of intellectualism as well.

      Goodbye "unknown" sicko. Don't thank us. It's a pleasure to be rude to critters like yourself.

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    2. What 'rudeness'?? ...... Hey daktar maleek, why r u ""judging"" ?????

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  14. The big question here is, why is Rumi's biggest diwan, "Diwan-e-Sham Tabrizi" banned in all Muslims countries? Some portions of that diwan are given in this blog which ought to be self-explanatory for any person with an ounce of gray matter in their head along with a shred of conscience. That old man indulged in shirk, and he also claimed all religions to be the same which means he did not differentiate Monotheism (Tawheed) from polytheism which is a very shameful attitude to say the very least! As if all this isn't bad enough, he also indulged in same gender relations with his own teacher of all persons and that was Tabrizi. To make matters still worse, instead of keeping all his deviant ideas & lewd desires personal to himself, he displayed them publicly in long and sickening poems stuffed inside Diwan-e-Shams Tabrizi. No wonder it was a shock and embarrassment to Muslim academics when they found it. They turned red-faced with shame and soon this depraved Diwan was shoved under the rug. The academics mulled through Rumi's entire literary works and nit-picked plenty of racy, bawdy and x-rated stuff in which Rumi tried to decorate profanity with metaphors, behaving like a complete prostitute. He was a real offensive bugger.

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    1. Correct Salsa. Very succinctly stated.

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  15. I also read in several historical reports that Rumi's open homosexuality caused a lot of distress to his family as well. The commonest version of how Rumi's love affair with his male teacher ended is: One day Tabrizi visited Rumi's house. They were together in a secluded room. Soon there was a knock at the door, probably Rumi's servant or a member of his family, to give the message that someone was waiting outside the main door of the house wanting to meet Tabrizi for minute. Tabrizi excused himself and walked out. When he didn't return for over 30 minutes or so, Rumi stepped out to check probably with the intention to call them in. But when he stepped out, there was no one there. That was the last time Tabrizi was seen. It's also commonly opined that Rumi's son had arranged Tabrizi's disappearance because he strongly felt Tabrizi was spoiling his father and ruining his family life.

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    1. I also read this historical account from quite a few sources in my research of this topic.

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  16. It's amazing the hard line ignorance some people carry in the name of ""appreciating poetry"" which consequently is equated with "intellectualism."

    Here is another line from one of Rumi's works. It's from some other collection, not that banned one. Yet it smells so foul that the stench would travel half way across the globe. It was quoted by someone at Facebook who obviously appreciates it. Read this line and it literally stinks of waywardness and kufr. Yet dark minds don't get it and keep repeating "MashAllah" like a broken record.

    "All day I think about it, then at night I say it. Where did I come from, and what am I supposed to be doing? I have no idea. My soul is from elsewhere, I'm sure of that, and I intend to end up there. — Rumi"

    Will any human being who has embraced Tawheed (Monotheism), has love for Allah The One and Only ever write this way? All those aspects on which Rumi has flatly cast doubts have been clearly and articulately confirmed and explained in the Noble Quran leaving no room for uncertainties or confusion. Unfortunately Rumi had no faith in the Almighty, not even the slightest of respect for Him.

    Rumi pimps and cheerleaders try to cover up such depravity with their usual platitudes ... ""oh, open up your mind .... you don't understand him .. he doesn't mean what you are thinking ... he was a profound thinker .. his thoughts went deep in the remembrance of God ....."" and so on. These intellectual frauds who try to dupe others only dupe themselves as did Rumi himself. There's nothing deep about this cheap repugnance. Heathens like Richard Dawkins and his co-thinkers will definitely love Rumi.

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    1. True, another sickening bit from that munafiq. And platitudes of the same tune babbled by Rumi's pimps & fans are also sung by Hadith lovers to justify that another violation stupid Muslims have fallen in love with.

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    2. The Glorious Quran gives humanity the entire code of life but Rumi the bugger still doesn't know what he's "supposed to be doing?" Wallahi idiot. And when he says his "soul is from elsewhere," his cheap advocates will claim he means the miracles of Allah. But Rumi is actually spinning his words so the stupid readers will give him the benefit of the doubt claiming he is lost in piety talking about Allah but actually he means something different. What Rumi forgot was that he can dupe the people but NOT Allah.

      The tomb of this filthy reprobate poet named Jalaluddin Rumi ought to be sprinkled with gutter water. Only Allah knows how many people this man has misguided and is continuing to misguide. This man should rot in Hell!

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    3. Spot on, Sister Ruhi. And I can never cease to feel the shock waves when I think of his claim that he actually said his "mesnevi" is better than the Noble Quran. InshAllah, I pray he is rotting in lowest depth of Hellfire with perverts like the pharaoh and many more.

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  17. Another piece of Rumi's madness I came across in Pinterest today. I don't know which collection it's picked from, but the bad stuff reads:

    "Run from what's comfortable,
    Forget safety.
    Live where you fear to live.
    Destroy your reputation.
    Be notorious.
    I have tried prudent planning long enough.
    From now on, I'll be mad." - Writes Rumi the debauch.

    DISGRACEFUL! Such are the ones who corrupt the human race.

    This is the source @ Pinterest.
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/390757705142596632/

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  18. This shameless lowlife wasn't a normal person. And you know, the moronic people made his shrine a place of pilgrimage. Only Allah knows how many people Rumi corrupted into disbelief and depravity. I say pee on his shrine.

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